Frenchy rests during series finale

It’s been kind of a hectic morning.  So we’ll keep this short by informing you that Jeff Francoeur is getting a day off and Tom Glavine was once again pleased with the bullpen session that he completed this morning. 

Francoeur has hit .213 with a .204 on-base percentage and .255 slugging percentage in his past 11 games.   Braves manager Bobby Cox said that he wanted his right-fielder to rest during the series finale against the Mets and then take advantage to gain further rest during the team’s scheduled offday on Thursday.

With Francoeur out of the lineup for the first time this year, Matt Diaz will start in right field for the first time since he joined the Braves in 2006.  In fact, this marked just the third time in his career that he’s started in right field.

Diaz’s most recent start in right field occurred on Sept. 27, 2005.  While playing for the Royals against the Twins that day, he recorded two hits, including a seventh-inning leadoff homer, against Johan Santana.

Glavine felt good about about the 35-pitch bullpen session that he completed this morning.   He’ll likely throw a simulated game at Turner Field early next week and then prepare for at least one Minor League rehab assignment.  The 43-year-old left-hander is still aiming to return to the Atlanta rotation before the end of this month.   

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Our lineup looks like we are putting our second stringers out there and letting the mets have a win. WTF?

What a play by Schafer. That dude can run. Growing up and playing centerfield I always wanted to be like Andruw. But now I want run like Schafer. Phew.

I don’t mind people getting the day off but Matt Diaz in right? I really don’t mind that but not in this park. At least wait until we get back to Atlanta to do that.

neverwhere – I understand your frustrations, but we have a pitcher in there who’s gone winless in 7+ months of baseball. This game is a wash anyways. The only chance we have of winning is if the Mets decide not to show up. Weirder things have happened… but this game is over before it starts. That’s why last night’s game was so important. Any momentum we had is going to be sucked out of us. Hopefully win or lose this will be JoJo’s last start in the majors for a while.

Bobby probably figures it doesn’t matter who is in our line up today, they won’t be able to score enough runs to save Jo Jo.

I don’t believe in must win games in May, but this game today ranks high on the list of would like to wins.

If we win this we are in a VERY good position – the same could be said about last night.

If we are giving this game up because of Jo-Jo, then we need to bring up Morton or let Parr start.. or even Medlen, until Glavine is ready.

I haven’t been high on Glavine but I want him here, and now I want him here FAST.

Who besides Bobby Cox still thinks Jo Jo is going to help the Braves……EVER?
I promise you the players aren’t getting up in the morning saying “Goody, I can’t wait to get to the ballpark with Jo Jo on the mound.”
The experiment is over, let’s not concede the season by giving away 20% of the games. There are at least 5 options better than Jo Jo that I can think of, and with Tony Armas throwing 5 innings of 3 hit shutout ball for Gwinnett yesterday, there are probably 6 now.
Seriously Bobby, if you really say Jo Jo stays, maybe it’s time for you to go.

Can the Braves still trade for Nick Swisher? He could help us with that 4th OF spot and be our 5th pitcher. Sounds a whole lot better to me. And I think Bobby is fed up with it. They were on the phones when the 4th inning began. I feel like I am watching a rerun of Jo Jo’s last start everytime I watch a game where he starts. Ridiculous

OH BOY! EXTRA INNINGS AGAIN! Not excited about that.
I highly doubt that the Yankees would trade Swisher now that Nady is on the DL.

Wow – 10th inning and a new pitcher with the potential winning run on first and we swing at the first 2 pitches we see for consecutive ground outs. Way to show patience. I expect it from Kelly… but you B-Macc?

HEYYOOO!!!
Bennett and Gonzalez made up for last night! Great game! Every position player and reliever used for each side. Gonzo striking out Beltran and Sheffield in the 12th was great to listen to. PWHort.. think Gonzalez was feeling overused and tired tonight??? HA!

Vivabeta don’t get too excited. Gonzalez wasn’t dominating. He left way too many pitches up and really wasn’t hitting his spots. So yes I agree with PWHort, he is overused and it showed again today. Luckily there is an off day and then he will be used all over again.

Well, I listened to game and didn’t see it but Gonzo did blow the fastball by Beltran and Sheffield, which isn’t exactly an easy thing to do.

His velocity was 94 +. I don’t buy in to the fact that those guys get fatigued because they throw in a lot of consecutive games. They sit there the whole game resting and then throw an inning or two. In high school we had pitchers throwing in every game. If you’re throwing 94 mph… you’re not fatigued.

obviously throwing in EVERY game creates fatigue… but I just don’t think that’s the case with Gonzalez. He made a bad pitch last night and made up for it today. That’s all.

I think Bobby and Roger know better than us when his pitchers are overworked and should not be playing. To call Bobby a “moron” is really saying a lot about yourself. And maybe Gonzo wasn’t “dominating” but other than striking out 2 great hitters with Reyes on 3rd while throwing mid nineties, what else would you want? Pitchers get up in the zone sometimes. This always turns into a big complaining session whenever we lose. The team isn’t perfect but we’re at .500 again with the best starters in the East. Enjoy it.
And as for Jo Jo… not such a good game. Unfortunately he will probably make one more start before Glavine comes back.

Bravo,
Fatigue effects 3 things:

1) Command.
2) Control.
3) Velocity.

And in that order. When you’re slightly fatigued you start to lose command of your pitches. As you grow more and more tired, you start to lose the ability to consistently locate them, but your velocity doesn’t start to drop until you’re extremely fatigued.

You can’t use pitchers that are coming off major surgeries 3 days in a row. It’s bad for their health. Prior to last night, Gonzalez had thrown in a game on 5 of the previous 7 days and warmed up on a 6th day. That’s just entirely too many appearances. Most managers wouldn’t dare let their relief aces pitch that frequently. Especially one with a history of injury less than 2 years removed from elbow reconstructive surgery.

“I don’t buy in to the fact that those guys get fatigued because they throw in a lot of consecutive games.”

You should buy it. Because that’s what causes fatigue. Which leads to ineffectiveness and injuries. There’s a reason that most teams have the rule: “if you use your closer 2 days in a row he’s unavailable the following day”. They’re protecting their assets.

“PWHort.. think Gonzalez was feeling overused and tired tonight??? HA!”

I think Gonzalez is stepping up to the plate and doing a good job of toughing it out, which I absolutely admire, but yes, I do think he was feeling overused and tired. The results wouldn’t make you think so, but I just watched the re-play of the bottom of the 12th on mlb.tv (missed the game today, I was at work), and counted how many times Gonzalez missed his spot. 14. He threw 20 pitches, and 14 of them he missed his spot, in most cases pretty badly. And I’m being generous on the 14, not counting a few borderline pitches to Sheffield that barely missed the zone. Yes, he looked very overused and tired. He was up in the zone, and didn’t command the breaking ball at all except on the last pitch of the game (which was an absolute beauty).

“I think Bobby and Roger know better than us when his pitchers are overworked and should not be playing.”

Really? Have you been keeping up with baseball for the past 5 years? How many Braves pitchers have gone down with big-time injuries or completely lost effectiveness because of overuse? I don’t have a number, but it’s a TON. Baseball Prospectus did a study on it, and the Braves have lost more days of service from pitchers on the DL in the past 5 years than any other team.

It’s funny how worked up you get when someone disagrees with you.
And in that study of Braves pitchers on the DL, I’m sure you will find Mike Hampton, who was hurt for years, along with the rest of the starting rotation last year. Or maybe Gonzalez, Moylan, and Soriano from last year. I guess Bobby really overworked them terribly up into the 1st week of the season which made their arms sh*t the bed. You think Boyer’s failures this year had to do with overwork from the year before? Or maybe Reitsma fell apart from overwork. It probably wasn’t mental, right? Maybe they should go with a 7 man rotation to stop the starting rotation from getting hurt.

I’m not worked up. You’re the one getting personal. Provide some real evidence, and bring an intelligent argument to the table. And Boyer was leading the league in appearances through the all-star break last year when he had a respectable ERA, then he blew up. So yeah, I’d say him being overworked (again, coming off surgery) had something to do with it. Hudson was completely abused last year. Soriano was abused in 2007, pitching a career-high 72 innings. Moylan pitched 90 innings in 2007, which is completely abusive for a reliever. I could go on, but you get the idea.

How can you abuse a starter? Bobby hardly let’s his starters throw more than 110 pitches in a game. Hudson averaged about 6.5 innings a start last year. 90 innings is pretty high, but most good relievers will pitch about 70-80 innings a year. Of course the relief corps had a lot of work last year, but that was more because almost every starter was hurt.

You can abuse a starter by pitching him on 4 or 3 days rest every chance you get. At least every 2 or 3 times through the rotation, everyone should get 5 days rest.

Award6,
I have a feeling we’ll be seeing Morton very soon. He’s the most logical replacement for Reyes until Glavine is good to go again. It’d probably only be a start or 2.

And GO JACKETS.

ok i just would like to be the first to admitt, before GA was activated off the DL i was one of the biggest fans begging for a trade and insisiting that acquiring him was a bad idea, but im pleased to say that our offense is perfectly fine thanks to a healthy GA AND MAC! i also wonder if we will see Omar or KJ play CF and find schafer to the bench, he 0-26 with runners in scoring postion! IT looks like we turned the corner with a great road trip and look forwar to an even better homestand!!!! LETS GO BRAVES

Great game for a fan (with low blood pressure) yesterday. Does anybody still think Reyes deserves another chance?? I think Bobby gave him enouch chances to prove himself and it’s clear that he hasn’t worked out. I hope Morton or Parr or Medlen get the next start at the 5 spot until Glavine comes back. Or maybe, because of the day off we just skip that spot in the rotation.

Did anybody see that ball get away from Diaz in RF? Did he really misjudge the ball or was ther an unlucky bounce? Couldn’t that have happened to him just as easily in LF?

“Based on what I did today, yeah, I could definitely pitch in a game,” Glavine said. “It’s just a question of am I better off trying to continue building arm strength in a controlled atmosphere vs. going and pitching in a rehab game.”
No Tommy, the real question is are you still better than the alternatives that the Braves have for the 5th spot. I will take the Tommy Glavine Victory Tour over Jo Jo in a heartbeat, but there are and will be other options, and you will have to be better than them as well for this to be a good move for the Braves as a team. It’s time again to compete for your job, which I’m sure is the only way you would want it anyway. Go Tommy, prove you can win your job so we can all cheer the best the Braves have to offer every night. I’d love to see it be you, it certainly hasn’t been Jo Jo.

Morton gave up a run and 3 hits in another strong performance, coincidentally on the exact same day as Jo Jo. Seeing that Charlie is on the 40 man, this is a no brainer for Frank and Bobby. If Glavine doesn’t toe the rubber 5 days from now, Charlie HAS TO.

I just read a funny stat. When the Braves signed Corky Miller, he had been 1 for 55 in his last 3 years in the big leagues. He must have had one of the all time best tryouts.

I’m happy Glavine[TG] is throwing well in the bullpen, but rest assured he will fare no better than Reyes; bullpen tossing is not midseason game demand.

Hall of Fame career nothwithstanding, like most at this stage, TG is a shell of his former stature and will not help the team as a starter. Pride and money are clouding common sense. He is no more than a 5 inning soft tosser now. He should come back, maybe one last start, then retire for good.

The answer is staring everyone in the face. It’s Hanson’s hour at show time; the Braves need his arm and energy. He gives the Braves more of a chance to win than anyone but Lowe, Vasquez, Jurrgens. Any other move is of lesser value.

Accxmam, while you may be, and probably are, right, you can’t know for sure until he faces hitters. He was pretty decent last year before he got hurt. And how exactly does the club need a new arm? Our starting pitching has been largely very good. Unless Hanson can hit 40 bombs he isn’t going to be able to help the club enough to justify starting his arb clock and risking having him reach super 2. Plus, he hasn’t been the best pitcher at Gwinnett, that would be Kris Medlen. And if we need someone to make a few starts before Glavine gets back Morton has been playing we at AAA and he’s on the 40-man roster. All in all, calling Hanson up right now makes little sense.

Other than PWHjort being a Jackets fan, you can’t really disagree with him. He knows his stuff. Everyone keeps calling on Hanson but like he said, he hasn’t done the best this year. We need to bring up the best right now. Not the one with the most popularity. Reyes is finished but Hanson should be waited on. Give him some more time. Spring Training and Minor League numbers are hard to judge. (ex. Jordan Schafer). Just be patient with Hanson. Morton and Medlen are the first two options. Not Hanson.

Other than PWHjort being a Jackets fan, you can’t really disagree with him. He knows his stuff. Everyone keeps calling on Hanson but like he said, he hasn’t done the best this year. We need to bring up the best right now. Not the one with the most popularity. Reyes is finished but Hanson should be waited on. Give him some more time. Spring Training and Minor League numbers are hard to judge. (ex. Jordan Schafer). Just be patient with Hanson. Morton and Medlen are the first two options. Not Hanson.

Other than PWHjort being a Jackets fan, you can’t really disagree with him. He knows his stuff. Everyone keeps calling on Hanson but like he said, he hasn’t done the best this year. We need to bring up the best right now. Not the one with the most popularity. Reyes is finished but Hanson should be waited on. Give him some more time. Spring Training and Minor League numbers are hard to judge. (ex. Jordan Schafer). Just be patient with Hanson. Morton and Medlen are the first two options. Not Hanson.

Also, we as Braves fan are used to 14 straight years of winning winning winning. We aren’t that team anymore and we need to slow down on the criticism. We are in a rebuilding phase. I hate that but we are. We have to be patient.

Reyes is finished but Hanson should be waited on. Give him some more time. Spring Training and Minor League numbers are hard to judge. (ex. Jordan Schafer). Just be patient with Hanson. Morton and Medlen are the first two options. Not Hanson.

I disagree,

1) I highly doubt Reyes is done, just seems likely he will stay (Not saying I’m a fan of Jo – Jo but I think he’ll stay)
2) If he is done, They will most likely start Campillo and bring up Morton
3) The reason why people people want Hanson isn’t because of popularity. I actually am more fond of Medlen rather than Hanson for many reasons not relating to pitching, like the way he spells “Kris” (Just like me).The reason why people want Hanson in place of Medlen/Morton is because of his, in baseball terms, “stuff”. A fast fastball, great command, “The best slider since John Smoltz”. Medlen has above average stuff to say the most. He is just putting up better stats.

And there is nothing wrong with being a Jackets fans =)

What jurrjens4nlcy said. Except for the jackets fan thing, because I have no clue what that is.
And also regarding Schafer, I totally agree with Mark’s most recent article. He’ll find the swing. If you added the hits and runs he has taken away in the field to his offensive totals, he would have pretty decent numbers. Patience and loyalty are why players used to yearn to play in Atlanta under Bobby and it usually pays off. Although his patience has just about run up with Jo Jo, it’s tough to guess who will pitch in the number 5 spot next week. It will be against the dismal Rockies at home. Either Jo Jo or Morton.

Agreed Vivabeta, I meant to complement you on your comment about Bobby Cox. Often times I will watch the game and say, “OMFG are you SERIOUS!?, WHAT THE H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICK ARE YOU THINKING!?” and then in 2 minutes he will prove me wrong (95% of the time)

“Bobby Cox: The International Man of Mystery”

I agree with you guys that Frank isn’t going off the 40 man roster to get a 5th starter this week. Especially with the Glavine situation still to play out.
As far as Hanson vs. Medlen goes first of all, how cool is it to actually have to have that discussion about “Braves” minor league starting pitching? What a nice improvement all of a sudden.
Medlen has been dazzling this season and has gaudy numbers to show for it, an ERA of 0.96 and a WHIP of 0.78 at over a strike out per inning. That’s pretty awesome pitching at any level, including little league. However, Hanson is and will prove to be the better Major League pitcher. That’s not based on publicity, that’s just the truth. There are two real keys to success in the Major Leagues, one is getting strike one, which is Kris Medlen’s specialty, and the other is getting batters out “in the strike zone”. That is Tommy Hanson’s strength.
The log jam Atlanta is now blessed with will be fun to watch pan out. I think both guys will be quality top 3 in the rotation guys for years. GO BRAVES!!!

Hanson struggles with command at times. His pure stuff is as good as anyone’s in minor league baseball. What makes Medlen so good is his control. If you had to bring up one right now Medlen is the logical choice because control pitchers don’t make as much as equally effective power pitchers do in arbitration, so having Medlen reach super 2 status would not handicap the organization as much financially as having Hanson reach Super 2. But for only a start or 2, it isn’t really worth the risk for either of them.

It is definitely a “What’s your favorite flavor of ice cream?” type debate.

Hanson has given up more than 3 earned runs in a start once in two years. He hasn’t “Struggled” with anything since he started shaving.

Rare agreement with PWHjort.

Patience is the keyword.

Tommy Hanson nor Kris Medlen will be brought up and added to the 40 man roster for a spot start.

My guess is that Reyes is still going to get the start, if not him then Morton already being on the 40 man puts him next in line.

If we go past that then James Parr, Buddy Carlyle or Jorge Campillo would be candidates before the dynamic duo of Hanson or Medlen.

IMO, Medlen will be first on the scene in the pen by early or mid June replacing Bennett(hopefully).

Glavine(health permitting) will assume the role of the #5 starter and be given plenty of opprutunity to hold that spot.

Just a guess on the possible staff by the 10th of June.

Starters
1.Lowe
2.Jurrjens
3.Vasquez
4.Kawakami
5.Glavine

Pen
1.Gonzo
2.Soriano
3.Moylan
4.O’Flaherty
5.Medlen
6.Carlyle
7.Campillo

Hanson will continue to toil in Gwinnett perfecting his craft and if anyone is injured or having chronic struggles we could see him by the All-Star break.

As an aside Hanson is pitching Game#1 today in Buffalo of a DH, so any thoughts of him taking Reyes
s spot are now moot.

Medlen is scheduled for tomorrow. My guess would be that Morton gets the call if Reyes has finally exhausted the patience of BC.

In his minor league career he has struggled with command at times.

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