Glavine pondering grievance

The Tom Glavine saga gained another chapter on Saturday, when Fox Sports reported that the veteran left-hander is pondering the possibility of filing a grievance against the Braves, who released him on Wednesday. 

According to Ken Rosenthal’s report, Glavine’s agent, Gregg Clifton, has discussed this matter  with a labor attorney and the players’ union.

While Glavine believes that his release was financially-motivated, the Braves contend that their decision was based on the performance they’d evaluated during his Minor League rehab starts.

Braves general manager Frank Wren said his team wouldn’t be responding to this report.

After evaluating Glavine’s three rehab starts, the Braves determined that he would have trouble finding success at the Major League level.   Going with a younger option, they’ve  instead inserted Tommy Hanson into their available rotation spot. 

While understanding the argument that Hanson could be considered the better choice, Glavine said he became more convinced that the decision was financially-based when the Braves acquired Nate McLouth from the Pirates on Wednesday night.

Glavine would have received a $1 million bonus when he was placed on the active roster.  He believes the Braves opted to utilize those funds to help pay for the prorated portion of McLouth’s $2 milllion salary.

“By not paying me, I think that freed up some money for them to do that,” Glavine said.  “So I think it was much more of a business and financial situation than it was a peformance situation.”  

 

94 Comments

I responded to a few of the previous comments on the previous post. If you want, we can carry the discussion over to this post.

wah wah wah, you dont get it do you Glavine. You are washed up and it time to sit back and let the youngsters take over. You have had your time in the sun. So go home and cry on your wifes shoulder, because we dont care.

Tommy, I guess you still don’t have enough money? If you really cared about the Braves you would be happy they were able to go get McClouth. The smart fans remember you jumping ship to the highest bidder a few years back. Thank you for your contributions in the past, but you aren’t needed anymore…

why hasn’t Frank Wren said anything about this situation? I’m glad to see John Scheuerholz did which I expected, but it would be nice to see something come from him. So why dod you think nothing has been said from Wren?

Mr Glavine just don’t get it. Maybe he is one of the people that thinks everything is centered around him. I think that the Braves made the right decision in letting Glavine go. It may have been financilly motivated. Maybe it was a combination of both lack of performance and financial. The Braves need to free up money to sign better players. If Mike Hampton would not have lived on the DL and just collected a big check maybe the Braves could have afforded to keep Glavine. For all of you sentimental people, maybe they should resign Phil Niekro,Steve Avery or any other washed up pitcher they can find.

Can we have Wren’s resignation now or do we have to wait until he signs another .250 hitter who is lefthanded. He actually had the temerity to say in an interview that it really wasn’t that big of a deal that the Braves were so Lefthanded since a lot of pitchers are right handed. What a *******.

They censored me for saying schm**k.

Maybe I should have said ign*ramus.

I am not sure that the lack of hitting is Wren’s fault. However I would not hesitate to put the blame on Terry Pendleton and Bobby Cox. They seem to have no concept of how to get the guys out of a slump. As someone mentioned earlier in the week why would Braves hitters go to another hitting coach for help when they have a coach on the bench. It does not matter who the hitters are if the coaching is suspect.

Fair comment but Wren does have the assignment of bringing in a balanced lineup. The only hitters in the lineup who TP hasn’t ruined are guys who never go into slumps(Chip, McCann and Esky who doesn’t speak english anyway) The young guys who hit their first rough patch are decimated by TP and his advice( See Andruw, Frenchy and Shafer)

Bill, Do you think they would hire TP as the manager if Bobby ever retires?

If Glavine files a grievance, he can fall off the face of the earth for all I care. 20 straight innings without a run, as of the 7th inning. Nate McLouth did the best today with 2 hits and a stolen base

Like the Braves don’t have another million in cash flow to pay for McClouth? They need your lowsy million bucks? Come on Tommy. Get over it.

I am glad Glavine is filing a grievance against the Braves. I mean, it is understandable that the Braves released Glavine because of his age, but they promised him that if he pitched well in the Minors he would get a chance on the Braves. The way Wren released Glavine was wrong and unfair to Glavine. All of you saying it is for sentimental reasons on why we want Glavine, that may be part of it, but Glavine did everything the Braves asked of him to do, and when it was their turn to uphold their part of the bargain, they backed out on their deal. Wren deserves to be fired, he has never done anything that good for our team. He let Furcal walk, he let Smoltz go, he lost out on Peavy, he signs Kawakami whom is 3-6 which is one reason why we are two games under .500. Even if Glavine isn’t able to win like he used to, who cares, he is much better than Jo-Jo Reyes, and the Braves won’t release Reyes. I am sure Glavine would still be good for our bullpen. I would take Glavine over Reyes any day of the week. Glavine has my full support.

Way to go Glavine.

Look, This is the time for wholesale change in Atlanta. We have been ShO 5 times in the last 30 days. The rest of the Eastern Div. has been ShO 5 times ALL YEAR. The Nationals have only been ShO once. We are stinking up the joint. If our pitching hadn’t been good we would be in the cellar. TP can’t replace Bobby as manager, Oh no, no, no……… I mean right now the Braves couldn’t hit my grandma in a crosswalk. They are so messed up it’s starting to affect their base running and defense, too. If something doesn’t change soon this season is done. John Schuerholz are you listening?

Thanks glavin for all your efforts during your time with braves (14 yr run) … let it go, sit back and enjoy life with your family.

Everyone it is GLAVINE with an E, like Maddux with a U and Andruw with a U.

Have the Glavine lovers forgotten that he left us to go to the Mets (a rival) for just a few million more. It was all about the money to him, so if we can gain some offense to help the good pitching we have now then suck it up!!!

Glavine deserved another shot. Can you imagine the excitement matching Glavine and Smoltz against each other when the Red Sox come to Atlanta?

Hey bobby cox, can I play for the braves with a starting salary of say “Half Million” a bargin!!!! price and will learn anything at any postion and take a pitch in the arm, leg, foot … you name it!!!! lol.

Thanks Tom for all the great years you gave us in Atlanta, I personally hope you consider pitching another year, if health permits. I will continue to watch you pitch regardless of who it is with. You are right, it’s all about the money with them, not your performance. Good luck and God bless, I’m still pulling for you!!

I agree. Glavine was a great Brave for years. He decided to wipe out over a decade of good will and dedication by signing with the Metropolitans. I couldn’t believe his shallowness at the time. He has more money than he can reasonably spend. He destroyed something special. Smoltz destroyed something special. When will professional athletes realize that we root for teams and not players? I will always root for the Braves regardless of who is on the roster. I have grown up and will die a Braves fan. The player will never be bigger than the team. DO YOU HEAR ME? Chipper, as under appreciated as he is, seems to get it. Money, at that level is no longer special. Continuity is special. Glavine is a labor guy, not a team guy. The team, not labor, writes his check. File your grievance with labor and see how many tears that gets you.

I agree. Glavine was a great Brave for years. He decided to wipe out over a decade of good will and dedication by signing with the Metropolitans. I couldn’t believe his shallowness at the time. He has more money than he can reasonably spend. He destroyed something special. Smoltz destroyed something special. When will professional athletes realize that we root for teams and not players? I will always root for the Braves regardless of who is on the roster. I have grown up and will die a Braves fan. The player will never be bigger than the team. DO YOU HEAR ME? Chipper, as under appreciated as he is, seems to get it. Money, at that level is no longer special. Continuity is special. Glavine is a labor guy, not a team guy. The team, not labor, writes his check. File your grievance with labor and see how many tears that gets you.

for all the people who say Glavin should just be happy and walk away,I sure hope that the people that did the evaluation on Tommy are not the same people that evaluated our brave hitters and said that they were ready to hit major league pitching. If they are,we braves fans are in for a long season,and I truly hope that Tom gets a chance with some team to pitch again If only to see if the brave personal evaluators are right or are they the ones that need to be let go.

No lefties in the rotation? Might as well fold up ship and go home for the winter. Glavine throws lefthanded and knows how to get hitters out. Who cares about his velocity? Maddux didn’t throw hard either. I’d rather have a seasoned veteran than an inexperienced, untested refugee from Japanese ball who’s already shown he doesn’t deserve a spot in the rotation. Adding Glavine to the pitching staff would have been far preferable than keeping Kawakami, Jo-Jo Reyes, or Jeff Bennett — all of whom are still there and stinking up the joint. Until Frank Wren gets with the program, the Braves won’t catch the injury-riddled Mets or the pitching-thin Phillies.

How does Frank Wren think we are going to buy his excuse of this being performance related? He is paying Jo-Jo Reyes who can’t ever win, so you know this is more about money.

For the commentor who wanted to see a Smoltz Redsox vs Glavine Braves matchup, I hate to point out but when Glavine was a Met, he and Smoltz went up against each other…what, 5, 6 times and who won each one of those matchups? His first name ain’t Tommy.

Fire Wren and release Jo-Jo and send Kawakami to the bull pen.

Fire Wren and release Jo-Jo and send Kawakami to the bull pen.

Woah, accidently sent twice.

FIRE WREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone knows that when you play in pros sports it is all about the money. I don’t care if you have 1 billion in the bake it is still about the money. Heres why when you play you exspect to get paid that is thier job. I don’t think it would be fair to glavine to give him a lesser paid just because he was hurt. If you got hurt on a job and if they let you go without paying you what you earned wouldn’t you be mad? I would be. I play in pro sports and it is all about the money. I know a lot of you don’t agree with this but it is. People should get over it thats how it is when you play pro sports like glavine did.

Tomorrow I want to see Hanson, not Glavine. If Glavine was pitching it would go like this: 3-pitches, 2-hits and a home run. Come on, Glavine sucks. The Braves did the right thing!

I feel bad for Wren’s wife for being married to him and I feel bad for his kids for knowing their father is a no class bum which of whom all of Atlanta hates.

I am not as upset about releasing Glavine as I am the way it was handled…Glavine is washed up and it is time for him to hang it up!!! But…WREN is an IDIOT

I am not as upset about releasing Glavine as I am the way it was handled…Glavine is washed up and it is time for him to hang it up!!! But…WREN is an IDIOT for the way that he handled it. It wasn’t Schuerholtz’s fault!!! I don’t care right now if Wren could trade for A-ROD, He needs to go!!!!

Frank Wren is a piece of garbage! He has screwed this team up so much that I don’t think ANYONE in baseball could fix it. Kawakami ~ Take your *$s back to the land of the rising sun where it belongs! JoJo ~ Get your *$s out my city, you’re trash. I hope that Tommy G somehow finds his way to Boston and they win the series. You, Mr. Wren, have made a mockery out of Atlanta Braves baseball, and you sir, don’t deserve to call yourself part of OUR orginization!!!!!!!!

So Tommy feels ‘cheated’, huh? He made 8 million dollars last year for 63.1 innings pitched, gave up 11 HRs in 13 games, won 2 games and lost 4 games, with an ERA of 5.54. He got $ 1,000,000 for not throwing a single pitch in the big leagues this year (that’s $ 480.77/hr over 52 weeks if he worked 40 hour/week like most people, OR $ 1562.50/hr for his approximate 16-week come-back time )! WOW! What a bummer! Go to http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glavito02.shtml for his career stats! If that isn’t lack of performance, what is !?!

Go get them Tom. They were knowingly wasting your time and only using you while they were playing the cards under the table. No one should accept being treated like that, especially you. They have played their hand and now you should play yours. Let’s restore at least a little integrity to MLB.

treynicholas, I’ m going to ask you to stop posting idiotic comments, Wren has done a great great with assembling talent on the field. billreef, Wren is right when he says, “It’s better to have a left handed dominant lineup than a right handed dominant lineup.” Why? Because only 26.7% of the MLB pitchers are left handed. (Source: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2008-standard-pitching.shtml). Besides our lefties are better at hitting lefties than righties. If we are going to get another player we need a powerful lefty that kills righties.

treynicholas, I’ m going to ask you to stop posting idiotic comments, Wren has done a great great with assembling talent on the field. billreef, Wren is right when he says, “It’s better to have a left handed dominant lineup than a right handed dominant lineup.” Why? Because only 26.7% of the MLB pitchers are left handed. (Source: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2008-standard-pitching.shtml). Besides our lefties are better at hitting lefties than righties. If we are going to get another player we need a powerful lefty that kills righties.

I think that Glavine said something like the Braves used the 1 million dollars to help sign our new CF? Who could we have signed LAST year if we hadn’t paid him 8 million dollars for no services rendered!?! Go play with your kids, shut up, OR , maybe better yet; move to New York!

Go play with your kids, shut up, OR , maybe better yet; move to New York! Agreed! maybe you just replace “OR” with “AND”

Whatever, “Jurrjens” can’t even have an original name, have to take the name of the Atlanta Brave pitcher? Idiotic comments, you are the one who is naive and making idiotic comments about Wren, and I have as much of a right to post MY opinions as you do, because one, I fight for the right to speak, as I am in the service, so just because you do not agree with my opinions, tough. Wren is lousy as they come, because if he hasn’t figured out that Reyes should have been released, he deserves to be fired and over paying Kawakami is a bad decision to when he can’t even win.

Well, what is done is done, I just hope Glavine wins this grievance, even though he probably won’t.

According to http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glavito02.shtml , Glavine’s salary since 1987 is ‘Career (may be incomplete) $128,639,293′. Why is so concerned about ‘losing’ the 1 million dollars for not being placed on the roster? Does he have a secret like ‘Mr 3000 hits’?

as a life long braves fan whos biggest thrill is still rick camps homerun i think glavine needs a crying towel, in these tough hard times when the country is at its worst times in our lifetime, tommy wants to cry, apparently he dont think anybody remembers him jumping to the mets for bigger bucks, i personnaly was disappointed when we signed him last year, i think he should pay the braves for his rehab, what a greedy bum, go tommy, hansen that is

trey… using your name isn’t very original either… You may have the right to speak, but so does Jurrjens. To tell him to shut up for telling you to shut up is just idiotic, no offense. Glavine is only filing because he is a representative of the union, but he is losing his respect as a player for this. If you noticed the way Reyes pitched in ST, there are reasons he is still aboard. Why he can’t translate it into ML success? – that beffudles me too. Kawakami was signed for his amount of money because we needed a connection to the ever successful Japanese market. KK is a good pitcher who can hit. We can afford him because Jurrjens and Hanson wont be making the big bucks yet. Also, I believe he needs to get more used to the Majors. The reason Wren signed him for that much, because at the time we had a rotation of: 1. Jiar 2. Javier 3. Campillo 4. Reyes 5. Morton… I’d have offered KK a lot too… like we did Lowe, for that reason!

Wow. After the exciting win on Tuesday against the Cubbies…the next day I am in total shock. I have heard both pros and cons of what transpired in the 24 hours leading to the demise of a true Hall of Famer. Forget that Glavine opted for New York….Being the head of the players union did that. Forget that he came back in which him and Schuerholz buried the hatchet. Forget that everything good stands for TOM GLAVINE. Frank Wren…you really screwed this one up man I hate to say it. It was financially motivated and you need to come clean about it enough of the BS. I would take a Tom Glavine on my team anyday as well as a John Smoltz and so would any other MLB team. Pitching has always been the heart and soul of Atlanta Braves division championships for fourteen years. The reason I love these guys is they are work horses and display leadership which is a rarity. When children lack role models thats what I loved about Tom and John….always their for the kidz to look up to.

Schuerholz please take back over….or someone knock on Liberty’s door and get Frank Wren outta here.

Wow. After the exciting win on Tuesday against the Cubbies…the next day I am in total shock. I have heard both pros and cons of what transpired in the 24 hours leading to the demise of a true Hall of Famer. Forget that Glavine opted for New York….Being the head of the players union did that. Forget that he came back in which him and Schuerholz buried the hatchet. Forget that everything good stands for TOM GLAVINE. Frank Wren…you really screwed this one up man I hate to say it. It was financially motivated and you need to come clean about it enough of the BS. I would take a Tom Glavine on my team anyday as well as a John Smoltz and so would any other MLB team. Pitching has always been the heart and soul of Atlanta Braves division championships for fourteen years. The reason I love these guys is they are work horses and display leadership which is a rarity. When children lack role models thats what I loved about Tom and John….always their for the kidz to look up to.

Schuerholz please take back over….or someone knock on Liberty’s door and get Frank Wren outta here.

Wren handled this the wrong way. He should have let Glavine know flat out that we only needed him until Hanson was ready. Also reminding him, which he really didn’t need to do, of Hanson’s success and that he may not be chosen. Then again this could have all been avoided if Glavine could pitch. It does solve the problem of, if Glavine can pitch and Hanson is ready, how do we release him?

So mudcat, are you saying we should continue to sign players just because of what they had done, even though they will not provide the needed results for the money asked? You forget that players are still players. Wren didn’t release Tom Glavine. He released an aging pitcher that had trouble with velocity and a track record of failure in the past years. I don’t doubt that Glavine could have helped, but it’s Hanson time. Glavine and Wren are both at fault here, Wren for not telling Glavine he had to earn the roster spot and Glavine for not realizing he had to earn the roster spot.

As a long-time Braves fan, I have followed Tom Glavine’s entire career. He pitched a good game in the 1995 WS. He won a lot of other games. He lost his concentration in around 2004 because of his players’ union activities and pitched badly in the pennant race and playoffs. He left for the Mets for a few million more than the 70 million the Braves offered. He came back for $7 million in 2008 and went around 2-4. He drove a hard bargain as an injured player in 2009. Taking him back in 2009 would mean giving up a more valuable young pitcher, so I’m glad the Braves didn’t do it.

Two braying jackasses–one calling himself the huckster and the other atlbravesfn76, or something of the sort, are blaming Glavine for what the Braves did, which was a financial decision. Anybody that cannot see that, or see how low class it was to handle it that way, needs to go back to kindergarten, or catch the first bus out of town.

Couple of louts who could use a frontal lobotomy.

P.S. Signing Glavine for more than he was worth may have cost the Braves a better player in 2008, and Will Ohman in 2009. I’m glad that Mr. Wren was wise enough to spend on McLouth, a much more valuable player.

danny49, this was not financial. Anyone who thinks it is needs to go back to kindergarden… spelt with a t. No wonder you have no idea. The money he would received would have been paid over the time of a few years. It wasn’t that big of a deal. We gave him a chance to prove himself and well, you know what happened. He hurt himself. He proved that he was no different from last year. He struggled with velocity, that yes isn’t everything, but when you are consistantly throwing pitches at around 83, there will be a lot of X-base hits and that would eventually equate to runs. Braves went with a better choice with Hanson, which they knew they would have to do eventually.

Tom, you have meant a lot to this organization. It was great having you on the team. Now, please, please, don’t go out like this.

If Glavine is still capable of pitching effectively at the major league level, then other teams ought to be tendering offers in the coming days, as left-handed pitchers are always at a premium. If the offers don’t come forth, well, that would pretty much prove that the Braves scouting staff was correct, wouldn’t it? They never go gracefully, do they?

Trey, If you read my post closely I never told you couldn’t post, nor did I tell you to “Shut Up”. Hell, I never told you to do anything, I asked you. I ask you to stop posting idiotic comments. Whether you don’t that or not is beside me. Secondly, Wren has done a fine job. I made a post about all the things he acquired and avoided. Maybe I should show that to you. “atruebrave” is right, at the time at we hadn’t signed Lowe, and that is why Kawakami was paid so much. Wren also tapped into the Japanese market, which is a move that, even if Kenshin busts, no one will ever regret. If he can keep the ball down, he can out duel almost any pitcher. Jo Jo is still a quality pitcher and an nice trade piece for the deadline. Finally, your going to attack my name? Really?? Dude thats low.

OK enough about Glavine—Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how we can get some real hitters in the line up? I have been following the Braves since 1973,this is just terrible. They are starting to become impossible to watch. It seems that no one has any power at the plate. They all look like a bunch of 1st year little leaguers. I know that good pitching beats good hitting. But this seems to be fair pitching also beats bad hitting. Hope no one has Chipper on thier fantasy team. He plays 1 game takes to games off. It is time to find his replacement.

My last post should stir you guys up. Let me have it.

madfan
I have been a Braves fan since their move to Atlanta. Please, can anyone tell my why the Braves trade, release or send down players and keep Chipper Jones in the dugout? You can’t say on the field because he spends so very little time there. Sit him down and put someone out there that wants to play and CAN play with minor injuries, something Chipper apparently has no desire to do! If Bobby Cox can’t bring himself to do this then replace him too.

MADFAN
I am with you get Chipper and his BIG MOUTH out of there. All he can do is cry about is his BIG toe or something. Then when he is in the lineup he gets out or walks. Jones is not the only one on the team but some think he is. Anyone is better than he is . He must have something on Cox, or Wren to stay arown.

A grievance? Really? Glavine, stop whining. So what if the Bravser DID release you because of money (you think?)? Surely you remember signing with the Mets for more money in 03. Of all the money-grubbing, disloyal jerks in MLB, you are one of the worst. And now you’re considering filing a grievance? Grow up. ///

The worst thing about this whole senario is that we should ahve never signed him before the 08 season. Nobody thought it was a good idea except Wren and Bowman. $8mil for a 43 year old arm that we got 13 starts out of. And how many wins? Exactly. Dumb.

It may be time to move Chipper. Maybe they could trade him and Garret Anderson to the Oakland A’s for Matt Holiday and a player to be named later. I wonder what we could get for Frenchy? If you look at the whole line up the only real player we have is BMac and Yunel and maybe Mclouth Kotchman is alright. If you look at the whole situation at 1st base we got crushed in the Texiera trade. They could have kept Laroach and you could have Elvis at 2nd Yunel at short. We could have put kelly Johnson in left and this year they could have had Mclouth
This would have been a decent line up.

Mclouth,Elvis,Chipper,BMac,Laroach Yunel,Frenchy and Johnson. You still have no power but you may be hitting better than .250 and have a few stolen bases. The only thing we got for Laroach is the often injured Gonzalez.

If you hire someone to work for you then you are expecting that person to produce in order to stay employed by you. Smoltz (big mouth) may not produce at all again and has not produced anything yet this year but his opinionated comments. His services & contract were questionable so therefore he was not even offered employment by the Braves. This obviously offended him because he SEEMS quick to speak on poor little Tommy’s behalf. Really smoltz is speaking because his feelings are hurt & he has an opportunity to fire back at the Braves through Glavine’s situation. Glavine was employed by the Braves, but the employer thought the better opportunity to win was with Hanson so they released Glavine stating performance reasons. Performance reasons being Hanson, we believe, will far outperform Glavine so we will go with him. Great job FW. I agree, and also great job on signing Lowe, JV, & now McClouth. Don’t think (Wren haters) that he does anything that is not agreed on by the management of the Braves. Get off welfare and depending on others & maybe you too will begin understanding managing. Much love to you all.

I concur and do not blame Frank Wren for everything as others have. One of the items that peolple do not seem to mention is he is working with limited funds. I am cetain they would have loved to go after Adam Dunn (instead of Anderson). His primary goal was to have a more durable and reliable rotation, which he accomplished. I also don’t think anyone imagined that both Franceour and Schaefer would be in the bottom five of OPS in the entire league. Guys like Schaeffer come up every year for teams and usually don’t struggle this much!! Franceour was a bit of a gamble due to his history, but I think we all expected a better approach at the plate due the extensive work he put in over the winter.

The three run homer is still the best play in baseball and I would be willing to bet the braves have hit less than five all year!!! Not Frank Wren’s fault.

I understand Glavine is upset. But its time for the Braves to move on. I am ready to see what Hanson can do. And everyone that is calling for Wren to lose his job is right. He hasn’t helped the Braves at all. This past off-season was one of the worst I can remember as far as letting people go and then not getting Peavy or Furcal. I’m just glad the Braves signed Chipper to an extension.

I completely agree with Glavine filing a grievance. Most work without a Contract and many without Union representation. When a Player signs a Contract there are stated considerations and monetary stipulations. Clearly, this Contract had steps and defined certain accomplishments to gather the money agreed upon. Clearly, Glavine met the guidelines stipulated and clearly expected to gain his rightful place on the Braves Active Roster. His rehab results show that the Braves executives, scouts, and others with a modicum of knowledge about the Game rightfully deserved to be overjoyment and pride in the accomplishment and comeback of Mr. Glavine. Why would the executives convolute results and claim otherwise? If they were adverse to Glavine; then the Contract would never have been drawn up; so it was not to be cruel and demeaning to Glavine (although their devious actions subjected him unintentionally to this brute reality.) That only leaves their preference to not pay the money that they had agreed upon. That, my friends, is illegal. To decide to spend money that they had obligated in Contract to Glavine in another way to another person is fradulent and unacceptable to the American way of life and the rules, laws, and guidelines in which we all live together in an agreeable fashion. Glavine has the obligation to remedy this deception and treacherous practice that the Braves executives conjured. He will stand for what is correct, right, and acceptable for any and all of us. Huge organizations do not have the right to renig on Contracts; to subject such a superlative Player as Glavine to meet their objectives, and then arbitrarily, whimsically deviate from their obligations that have been signed and agreed upon in a formal, legal document. Glavine deserves full recompense along with punishing amounts to insure that MLB does not attempt this shameful mockery of coexistence between Player and employer. All Players need the assurance that their Contracts are valid. Goodness, most work without Contracts……..if Glavine doesn’t file a grievance and if it isn’t upheld; then no Contracts at any level formulated between employ and employing corporation are valid and/or sustaining and/or credible. We, my friends, will have reverted and regressed as a society. We, my friends, will have the knowledge that treachery and devious behavior are acceptable and expected. Chaos will replace an ordered, appreciable level of navigation on site. We will take a giant step back “on our watch.”

You so called Braves fans are really disappointing. Mr. Wren is doing what he can to make us a winning team again, or have you forgot the many years and all the records? I don’t think any of you could do his job. You couldn’t handle it! Now you’re on TP and Bobby. What have they done to you? TP’s a fine coach and holds batting titles or have you forgotten? Bobby has manage and won over I don’t know how many games but it’s a record, so you think you could do better? The players have to listen to TP and Bobby and there was 1 I know that wouldn’t, no matter how much Terry worked with him, his name is AJ!! I loved to see Tommy pitch just like John Smoltz but if younger talent is needed then be proud that they’re trying to make the Braves the best!! Both of them contributed so much to the Braves and I for one thank them with all my heart, but if it’s time to move on then do it with your head held high because you’ve no reason to hang it.

Ya’ll, I’ve been a die hard braves fan since 1989 and I’ve had to watch all the great players leave town. All the braves fan know what I’m talking about. If a player is traded that is on thing, can’t blame the player but if a brave leaves on his own for more money, that’s a whole nother story. Tommy leaving after the 02 season cut alot of braves fans deep and he left for money and one stinkin’ year difference on the contract. What made it worse was that he went to the mets. I love the braves and I love all the old players like Justice, Murphy, Smoltz, Maddux,Lemke,Gant,Lopez,Blauser,Olsen and even Tommy Glavine but he left us for what he wanted, players should try living in our real world were people lose there jobs or are laid off or fired and don’t have millions of dollars to fall back on. I really don’t care if he is upset about loosing a million dollars.It’s not like he’s loosing his house or his vehicles. I hate the way its happened but sometimes you can’t always get what you want. I would liked to have seen him pitch at turner one more time but that’s life, even for millionars sometimes.

Com-on people grow up! Time for both Glavine and Smoltz to move on! Braves fans also! Not takin anything away from 2 of the greatest braves players BUT! lets face it both glavine and smoltz are NOT! who they used to be performance wise. As it was said earlyier … Tom vs. John in the past 5-6 games John came out on top. Tom has won more games for the braves during the 90’s! Last time I checked it’s the year 2009! I will agree some things might have been handled better however it’s time to “move on”. Be it Wren or Cox doing the inside “dirty work” for lack of better, I want to see the “ATLANTA BRAVES” back ontop as bad! as anyone and my only point is all the “talk” in the world is NOT! going to change the fact that glavine and smoltz are OLD!!!!!!!!!! out with the “OLD” and IN WITH THE NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point to be made is very simple. The Braves Organization did not conduct in the manner that makes them the class of the MLB. We are not the New York Yankees. Tom Glavine is an icon and deserved to be treated professionally and honestly. I am “as 1 post stated” a “smart” Braves Fan, and I remember when Glavine signed with the Mets. It wasn’t for more money. GM John expected an unreasonable hometown discount. I admit, as a lifetime Braves and Glavine fan, that Glavine may be done. Noone can expect Cy Young production and I’m excited to see Tommy Hanson today but Glavine should have never been sent to Rome. You could see this coming weeks ago.

Does anyone remember the money hungry Glavine left to go to NY Mets, just because we wouldn’t give him a guarenteed contract! He left for a 1 more yr, and sucked the whole time he was there. Remember he screwed us 1st, what comes around goes around.

Come on Tommy suck it up, you ,John and Greg were great in your time, but you are getting old and you need to retire and enjoy your family. Think about getting into coaching, and not being a cry baby

I agree with all the tommy fans about wren..He should have not released that feared 80mph fastball…If wren was smart he would have put him on the market for any of the top hitters in the game. now the yankies will sign him for 50 mil a year and our poor braves will have no chance to ever beat the yanks…

I don’t think Glavine is whining; I think he’s right and that he has a case. It’s not the first time a team has released a player for these financial reasons and won’t be the last. That doesn’t, however, make it right.

well it looks like Hasan can not get anybody out either

Glavine lost 17 games in his 2nd season with the braves..so what is the point you are trying to make?

Okay, Tom can’t get anyone out……let’s have Milwaukee sign him and see. That and trade for Peavy…..hmmmm…..then we’ll see who is washed up. I like Tom and in this world everyone now jumps to the money…..so what……its the business now.

Tom Glavine needs to go suck an egg

As a lifetime Braves fan I am bothered by the fact that this issue has turned into the mess it has.

Tom Glavine has not only been an amazing pitcher who has defied the odds time and time again on the mound, he was also a major voice for his fellow players and, thanks in no small part to a dedication to keeping in such excellent shape, he has avoided injury till the twilight of his career.

Glavine may not be able to get it done at the highest level anymore, maybe he can, but it is a shame that this has pitted him against the very organization he loves. JS made baby steps with his apology and I am hopeful that time will help heal the wounds on the other side.

OK like I heard some guys talking at the Gwinnett Braves game on Saturday night “If Glavine had not left the team a few years ago for the Mets for more money than I understand him being upset.” “But, since he left the Braves for another team and then came back he really did not do his entire career as a Brave so he just needs to get over it.” I do not know these fellows name as they were fellow spectators in the stands but in my opinion they hit that on the head. Glavine is a great player but his time is gone. He did not play his entire career as a Brave and left the team because another offered him more money. And that was when John Scherholtz was still the GM. Galvine your bound for the hall of fame and you lasted a lot longer than a lot of professional players. Stop crying about it and move on and let the next generation continue the tradition. Don tarnish your rep by crying about it. Be man and be happy with all you had and currently have.

Ok Guys Let the Glavine mess go for a while. Does anyone have any suggestions on making the line up stronger. Chipper is not going to go 4-4 everyday.

I am a life long resident of Chicago and have been a Braves fan since 1957. I’ve stayed true to them through the lean years as well as the good years. I agree with those who say it’s time for Tom to hang up the spikes. But certainly it could have been handled in a much more professional manner.

Frank Wren, Bobby Cox and Terry Pendleton are not the problem. They go out and get the players they think will help the Braves be contenders. But it’s up to the players to perform at their best everyday.

Some pretty astute people have commented on the reasons we acquired KK from Japan. He’s had some good games mixed in with some bad ones. They should have dumped JoJo several tears ago. He’s a professional minor league pitcher.

When is Frenchy going to learn how to hit from his buddy McCann? Frenchy has no idea of what he wants to do with each at bat. His strategy is to go up there and swing at anything coming towards him that’s white. His love of swinging at the first pitch puts him in the hole most of the time. He has no discipline when it comes to learning the strike zone.

Kudos to Wren for acquiring McClouth who I think will be a valuable addition to the lineup.

And to those who are saying that Chipper won’t play when he’s hurt must have forgotten when he stayed in the lineup when Yunel went down. He could hardly stand up, but still played. He even suffered his first 4 strike out game.

All-in-all, I don’t think we have the resources to attract another good outfielder without bankrupting the minor league system. Let’s give the current players a chance to live up to their potential.

Glavin spent a lot of time in Atlanta for which he got paid good money for. Then he left when he didn’t feel like the Braves wouldn’t pay him enough. He left the Mets when they wouldn’t give him what he wanted. Now the Braves cut him when they feel he can’t give the Braves what they need and want, but poor little Tommy feels hurt. I wonder if he thought how the fans and teammates felt after he dumped the teams and went some where else. He really didn’t care because it was all about Glavin. Now it’s what I and a lot of the Braves fans are saying ” Shut UP Glavin, Your Time has come and Gone, Go Home and Play with the Kids and Wife”. I spent 25yrs in Atlanta watching the Braves go from nothing to very good to now. I have since moved so I only get a little info but I’m still a fan, but it looks like they need some upper mangement overhaul before they get back.

I remember the 66 braves when joe torre was the starting catcher… for the atlanta Braves ..bbenton remembers him as a northern chicagoland brave.

My gut reaction when I heard Glavine was released and Hanson was being called up was pure joy. We all know the ceiling on Glavine’s performance this year would not be nearly as high as Hanson’s. But now that I’ve had the chance to reflect on all this it is a bit wrong the way it was dealt. Wren should not have asked Glavine to come back in the first place. But having said that this move was one made out of necessity for the team and unfortunately as a result Glavine had to become the victim here. Was it done for monitary reasons? Of Course! But it was also performance based. My problem is that the organization and Wren pretty much knew to start that Glavine wasn’t going to be in tip top shape this year and that Hanson’s call up was imminent. The problem began when they chose to sign both Kawakami and Glavine to shore up depth when it wasn’t necessary. Looked to me like a gut reaction the starting pitching tragedies of last year. I do hope Glavine doesn’t hold a deep-seeded grudge against the Braves and part of me hopes he files and wins his grievance and we can all move on. Still love you Tommy but you aren’t the Tommy we all want in there right now.

I have been a Braves Fan for over 20 years and will always appreciate the efforts of Tom Glavine, but business is business. Glavine knows deep down that his tank is empty and he was trying to hold on by a thread, you can not fault the braves for trying to better the organization and Glavine needs to Get Over IT!

“The Demise in the Center of the D”

As I sat, along the third base side of Atlanta Fulton County stadium on that Wednesday evening, in early April, back in 1991, I almost cried as I noticed something for the first time in my life. That being, the reality of change of a grander scale. Change, something that many people struggle to adapt and accept, rightfully so. Sid Bream, Rafael Belliard, and Terry Pendleton. I asked really? Who? This is the answer? Clearly, interesting at best. I liked Ken Oberkfell, I liked Andres Thomas, well only one year I might add. I liked Rafael Ramirez, and I certainly liked Chris Chambliss. Although I have to admit, that his fist pumping homerun against the Royals in that playoff game, in late October, wearing that Yankee uniform, is my most notable memory of him. Bottom line, is I liked them. Looking out on to the field, for the first time since I started going to what would be mine and my fathers favorite past time and lasting memory, there it was, Opening Day. Starring right at me and piercing through my soul and heart like Robinson Crusoes fate at the Island of Despair. Change on the grandest scale. It became real, it became obvious, it became a defining moment in my young life. Realizing that change is way more than a different pair of shoes, another grade of school, a different type of cereal or sausage instead of pepperoni. No, you see, this was, to me, a much more bitter taste of reality. The Atlanta Braves, season after season, losers of 100 games, more than once. To me, the Braves were life, they were the World they were the way, and they certainly were every bit of that in my life. Life, as I knew it, only evolved around them, and when September came around and as the late Skip used to say, so long everybody, we’ll see you next year, never saying what I wanted so badly to hear him say, we’ll see you in October baby. Life existed only April-September. There I sat, for the first time in my life, with a feeling of true fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of the new, fear of change. Change was a coming and I didn’t like it. I hated it, but like with any time of change, it’s almost strangely forced. Forced as I was about change, I almost wanted the new comers to fail. Odd that the only thing of the Atlanta Braves I knew was true and utter failure. See a strange resemblance here? I do, no doubt. Had I become complacent with failure, was failure the only thing I knew? There, right in the center of the D, the demise of true failure, sat an opportunity for change and I hated every bit of it. Well, any Braves fan knows how that change turned out. An extra inning loss in game 7 of the World Series, not too bad. Next April, I hope I sit in that same spot, on the third base side, only this time at the Ted, just a few feet away and hope, just hope, I feel that same sense of change on the grandest stage.

Hey Jurrjens…..

While you are parroting Frank Wren’s obvious epiphany(there are more right handed pitchers than left handed pitchers), duh……. You might want to consider the more strategic parts of baseball as in with a blended line up you wind up with a balance against left handed relievers who come into the game and strike out 3 hapless braves lefties in a row. You also have situations where you want a Right handed heavy line up agasinst a tough lefty(every 4th day by Frank’s admission). You can throw in stadiums with short left field porches(in case you don’t understand that means the fence is closer). Why do you think Bobby always had R/L platoons in his successful years?
Don’t eat Frank’s pablum, I guarntee it won’t taste good by August.

I am 56 years old and baseball has always been a love of my life…………but Tom Glavine has become the straw that broke the camel’s back………….Many MLB players have turned into prima donnas and that’s just not what the game is about………..seems not so long ago Glavine left the Braves to sign with the Mets..was this due to his loyalty to Atlanta ?……I’m sure money had nothing to do with it……..
I have been a Braves fan for many years………I have thousands of cards of players like Tom Glavine who were true sports heroes at one time….but no more………I am done……….Unless the players can come back and realize how important fans are I am done…………Thank you Tom Glavine…for showing me the light…………………..

Can someone tell me what channel the draft is on if it is actually on TV?

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