Glavine ready to take next step with the Braves

Tom Glavine is ready to officially put an end to his playing career and enter his next venture with the Braves. 

The Braves have announced Glavine has accepted their invitation to serve as a special assistant to team president John Schuerholz. 

When he meets with media members this afternoon at Turner Field, Glavine is expected to confirm he has no plans to attempt to pitch again. His 305 victories stand as the fourth-most ever registered by a left-handed pitcher in Major League history.

Glavine will assist Schuerholz with a variety of projects on both the baseball and business ends.  In addition, the 300-game winner will also have a presence with the club in both the television and radio broadcast booths.

Most of Glavine’s broadcast responsibilities will be with the club’s new radio partner 680 The Fan. But he will also do television work during some games broadcast on FOX Sports South.  

Glavine, who made his Major League debut with the Braves in 1987 and notched 244 of his victories with Atlanta, is expected to spend some time with the club during Spring Training. .  

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Great stuff! I just called my mom to tell her the good news! She didn’t really care…

Canadians… she’d probably care if he got a job with the Thrashers…

Speaking of Thrashers, you think I should see if Johnny Damon likes them as much as he does the Red Wings. Or should I start by asking, “Johnny, do you know that Atlanta has an NHL team?”

Well, I guess this answers my comment about Glavine. Thanks for the post Mark. He is without a doubt a great addition to the club. I’m glad the harse feelings between the two are behind them and Glavine can be treated like the outstanding professional that he has proven to be throughout his playing career.

I didn’t know Atlanta had an NHL team. How about that.

Glavine Is Now Working For Schuerholz?

Is this Bizarro World?

Note that Glavine has NO business with Frank. It’s no business like yo business………….

Do you really think that Scheurholz had nothing to do with getting rid of Glavine? Like Frank Wren is making every move untethered while John is in his office catching up on Lost?

I’m excited about this because I’ve always appreciated not only the way Glavine handles himself but also all that he did for the Braves.

On the Damon note, as Mark intimated, the Tigers have stepped up their efforts to sign him. I hope this is true, as a Damon signing would, in some form or fashion, block a spot or the playing time of Heyward or Schafer, even if they were to trade another outfielder.

Viva,

I think John is a good employer, he never gave me any reason to believe differently in his years as GM. And a good employer backs his employees. Even if they are Frank Wren.

i see tommy being better off as a pitching coach. that would be nice 2011 seeing eddie perez as manager terry as hitting coach and tommy as pitching coach then when chipper retires use him as a third base coach or maybe a hitting coach in the minor league?

i see tommy being better off as a pitching coach. that would be nice 2011 seeing eddie perez as manager terry as hitting coach and tommy as pitching coach then when chipper retires use him as a third base coach or maybe a hitting coach in the minor league?

Personally, I’d like to see the Braves retire Glavine’s number at some point this season. It only makes sense for him to be up there with Maddux. The idea of the two of them going into the Hall of Fame in 2014, plus Frank Thomas and Randy Johnson could make up to be one of the greatest HoF classes of all time.

I’m sure it won’t be too long until we see 47 up next to 31….

personally I’d like to see No. 29 hang on a different wall this year. The wall in the locker room. I’d like to see that for bobby’s last year and for no. 29 as well. one more return to former glory. one more postseason of magic. One for the baby braves to learn from. one for me to watch and share with my boys.

Smoltz is pretty much done, billreef. Unless he has some Wolverine-type healing superpower, I’m pretty sure that, if he pitches in 2010, it will look much like 2009. Ineffective. I love the guy, love what he’s done for the organization, but time happens to everybody.
He has a championship ring, a Cy Young, 3000+ Ks, All-Star appearances, and even a Silver Slugger. There’s nothing really left to play for, especially when your best days are behind you now.

Yeah he was better than half the league in St Louis last year and had a better ERA than our 16M/yr ace. Fire frank Wren put Smoltz in the dugout and I guarantee we up our win percentage. Smoltz would cost like what 1.5 plus incentives? S**t the bat boy makes more than that. I mean stop sign Dews probably makes that much. Whats the risk? You take a roster spot from noodle arm Damon or the next incarnation of GA? I would rather have John Smoltz starting the 3rd game in the World series than any other no. 3 pitcher in baseball. Sorry but the old war horses always rise to the occaision. I guess you figure we will be at home in October so it doesn’t matter.

Before anyone else does, I’m going to point out my own fail from my previous post. Randy Johnson goes into the hall in 2015, not 2014.
Carry on.

PapilGee,

Your comment is so wrong and so stupid I had to add another response. We are talking about John Smoltz. The guy who earlier in his career got the yips and couldn’t throw strikes. Itcould have and has ended the career of many a hot young prospect. Smoltz went and got a therapist and sat him in the stands to help him get through his problem. You may be too young to remember that, but I watched it happen. It as amazing. He began to will that ball across the plate. Later when he starting getting hit he developed a split finger as nasty as any MLB has ever seen. Injuries(he was done then too) he converted into a reliever, he sidearmed for a while, he came back as a starter, he went through multiple surgeries, he always found a way to win. He is the most successful postseason pitcher in major league history( by every measure). For gods sake the guy plays and beats Tiger at golf. And to have a little snot like you endeavor to tell John when he is done(unless he has comic book powers) is an insult and not worthy of this supreme competitor. I’m sorry, but you crossed the line kid. And you know nothing about competitive spirit and neither does FW for that matter. This guy lights up a dugout and we are trying to bring in “good luck charms” like Hinske or Damons “competitve spirit”. Give me a break.

1-3 in 7 games with a 4.26 ERA is better than half the league? Wow… what parallel universe is this? And did you forget that he got shellacked in Boston, who subsequently released him AFTER giving him until June to get himself in shape? You can’t only count his last seven games in a stats discussion unless you compare everyone else with that metric (from August 23 onward).
Only thing different now is that he’ll be a year older and more diminished in ability as well. Since he never went more than 6 innings last season in either league, what makes you think he’ll be the John Smoltz of before?And you do realize that John Smoltz has never won a Game 3 in the World Series, right? Nor has he pitched in a World Series since 1999. So… kind of a pointless statement there.

Now I’m a little snot because I can realize that someone is at the end of his career and doesn’t have nearly as much left as he used to? Nice of you to keep a discussion civil.
FYI, I grew up with Smoltz. I remember when Smoltz was the “wonder what you’re gonna get” guy on the mound. And I remember when he became a legitimate #1 pitcher but was stuck at #3 because of guys named Maddux and Glavine. And I full well remember missing him the whole 2000 season but being excited at the prospect of him coming back to close for us, and then watching him notch 154 saves. AND I remember him coming back with a new sidearm delivery but then blowing out his arm again.
Point is… EVERYONE has to hang it up sooner or later. Bringing someone back for nostalgia purposes is not gonna make the Braves better at this point because, unless he proves me different (and I leave that possibility wide open, because Smoltz has indeed always been a gamer), we have at least three guys in the rotation who are more reliable than he.

papi,

The parallel universe to which you refer is called “reality”. I will post a link so that you can see that EXACTLY half(8 teams) of the NL staffs posted an ERA greater than 4.26 and the other half less than 4.26.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?c_id=atl&baseballScope=NL&statType=2&sitSplit=&timeSubFrame=2009&groupByTeam=true&Submit=Submit&timeFrame=1

Those fact thingies are d**m difficult to argue with, eh? As for why Smoltz never won a WS game 3 geez, wonder why? Guess because he was almost always starting Games 1 and 4(even when Glavine and Doggie were here). Why? Because he was always so good in the postseason. Your right Smoltz sucked in Boston, trying to learn a new league coming off an injury. He was good enough to wind up in St. Louis though. How did their season turn out? Do you remember that month called October? Smoltzies record in October 15-4 with a 2.67 ERA. I wouldn’t bring him back for nostalgia, I would bring him back to win, to inspire that team and for our young pitchers to learn from. He has earned that right.

Smoltz was tipping his pitches in Boston, when he arrived in St. Louis Duncan pointed this out to him. Smoltz made some adjustments and that is why there is such a difference in numbers. At least that’s what I’ve remember reading. Correct me if I’m wrong.

That being said I’ll love to have Smoltz back, but mostly in the pen and as a spot starter. Maybe send Medlin back to Gwenith to get work as a starter.

Smoltz was tipping his pitches in Boston, when he arrived in St. Louis Duncan pointed this out to him. Smoltz made some adjustments and that is why there is such a difference in numbers. At least that’s what I remember reading. Correct me if I’m wrong.

That being said I’ll love to have Smoltz back, but mostly in the pen and as a spot starter. Maybe send Medlin back to Gwenith to get work as a starter.

Sorry for the double post.

The Gwenith Paltrow Braves

Glavine may help some of the young pitchers on the side, with philosophy and mental approach. In fact, I would be surprised in that doesn’t happen, regardless of his position.

BTW Randy Johnson is in the 2015 class…

2014 will be a jam up tho..all HOF, but not necessarily 1st ballot because of the backlog from 2013 [Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Biggio, Schilling, and possible HOF Sosa, Lofton, Franco]

Maddux…in 1st ballot
Glavine…probably in 1st ballot
F.Thomas…possibly in 1st ballot
Kent…possibly in 1st ballot
Mussina…not 1st ballot
Edmonds…not 1st ballot [or even this class if he plays in 2010]
others of this class are not HOF worthy

Note: the HOF has never admitted 4 1st ballot HOF
2013 is the test for 2014

Good call on the tipping pitches, wisbrave. I had actually forgotten about that.
Nevertheless, if indeed the Braves do decide to try to bring Smoltz back, I’d rather he go to Spring Training and get in shape and get all the kinks worked out instead of coming to the team midseason,

Glavine is POSSIBLY a first ballot HOF…..news to me. Guess he should have won 300+ games, a WS MVP, and a couple of CYA…… oh wait. Sorry for lashing out, but Glavine and Maddux are both 1st ballot HOF. I don’t think people appreciate how ridiculous the Braves rotation was. Even though it gets alot of credit, people have seem to forgotten how good each guy was individually.

billreef, it’s no good comparing an ERA based on seven starts to team ERAs based on the full 162 (or 161 in the case of the Cubs and Pirates), whether better or worse. By that metric, you could EASILY say that Tim Hudson, based on his seven starts, was better than the entire Cardinals’ staff all of last season. See how that doesn’t work?
One can easily argue with facts used in a flawed manner.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s really a question about Glavine being a first ballot. He will go in on the first ballot, no doubt. I agree completely with speedy, the Braves rotation was absolutely incredible.

That cheaters class of 2013 won’t clog anything up. Bonds, Sosa, Clemens NEVER get in. Are Shoeless Joe or Pistol Pete in? Maddux, Glavine and Thomas all go in 1st year. Schilling, 215 Wins, no way. Biggio career .281 , No way. Piazza may be the only inductee in 2013. Jeff Kent, No way.

So you have one in 2013 and 3 in 2014, no great log jam.

Oh , and Papi now you’ve changed your argument to too small a sample size, nice try. Oh and if you want Smoltz in spring training, try talking to Clueless Frank(kind of a ripoff of Shoeless). Maybe he’ll bring him to ST, have him rehab until June and then release him and really cement himself in the a**hole HOF.

My argument is it’s useless to compare someone’s output to the whole league’s if you compare the individual’s 1 1/2 months to everyone else’s entire season. Now, if you compare Smoltz from 8/25 (his first start) until the end of the season to the rest of the NL from the same period, then I’ll concede that to you and stand down.Now on to other matters…
RE: the Hall of Fame, I actually think Biggio and Kent have a pretty good case to go in 2013 because they actually have more favorable stats than Ryne Sandberg and Joe Morgan who went in first-ballot… but we shall see. Of course, Piazza is a lock in ’13.

My bad, Kent isn’t eligible until ’14, so never mind about him in ’13. (wish I had an edit feature)

Well papi,

Since you’ve changed the paradigm once again. I will leave this last comment. First it was Smoltz was “stuck” behind Maddux and Glavine. Don’t know what games you were watching but Smoltz was “never” stuck behind Maddux and Galvine. All three excelled at different times and in different ways, but Smoltz was NEVER stuck anywhere on those teams.
Then when I stated that Smoltz’s ERA at St. Louis was in the middle of the pack for NL pitchers ERA last season you suggested that i was living in a “parallel universe” until I left a link which demonstrated exactly that.
Now, you want me to undertake a research project which demonstrates that Smoltz’s ERA wasn’t in the middle of the pack for the same “time period” as the rest of the NL. I’m guessing you are figuring that I won’t take on a ridiculous comparison like this because I won’t waste my time. You are right. If you want to prove me wrong. Bring it on or concede. Do the research and show that my “proven” hypothesis is somehow flawed. You can’t just keep changing the parameters and expecting me to prove you wrong in each new scenario. Maybe you can convince one of the Sabre Rattlers to do it for kicks. But not me.
And I agree with you. I wish you had an edit feature too.

Best of luck to him! It’s more than fitting that he is now working with the Braves. First Ballot Hall of Famer no doubt!

http://mimi.mlblogs.com

I can’t buy Jeff Kent as HOF. Here’s an example why.

Jeff Kent: 377 HR, 1518 RBI, .290BA, .855 OPS, 94 SB, 1 MVP (2000), 5-time All Star, 4-time Silver Slugger
Dale Murphy: 398 HR, 1266 RBI, .265BA, .815 OPS, 161 SB, 2 MVP’s (’82, ’83), 7-time All Star, 5-time Golden Glove, 4-time Silver Slugger

…and please remember Dale Murphy didn’t play in the live ball/steroid era. Also, he didn’t have Barry Bonds hitting behind him.

Looks like Old Man Reef is upset and unable to accept the fact that his favorite players is way past his prime.

What a two-faced hypocrite. If Damon had played with the Braves until 2008, you’d be cursing Wren for not offering him $30/3. Damon’s skill level is the same as Smoltz’ at this point, if not greater. Yet you want Wren to bring back Smoltz over Damon just to satisfy your nostalgia. You want to fire Wren to up our win percentage, but then want us to hire Smoltz out of nothing but pure nostalgia. You would rather us have kept Glavine instead of bringing up Hanson, and then complain about not winning enough.

No wonder you’re such a colossal idiot. You let nostalgia cloud any rational thought you may be capable of having. You don’t care about winning, you just care about having a bunch of has-beens on the team so you can relive the “glory days” in your head (because they certainly wouldn’t be relived on the field).

And lol @ your selective remembering of Scheurholz’ trade history. I guess you “forgot” the Tex deal where we sent a guy named Neftali Feliz to the Rangers. I hear he’s pretty good.

The past is just that , old man. The past. The sooner you stop living in it, the sooner the rest of us can stop laughing at you while you remain blissfully unaware of your own ignorance.

Looks like Old Man Reef is upset and unable to accept the fact that his favorite players is way past his prime.

What a two-faced hypocrite. If Damon had played with the Braves until 2008, you’d be cursing Wren for not offering him $30/3. Damon’s skill level is the same as Smoltz’ at this point, if not greater. Yet you want Wren to bring back Smoltz over Damon just to satisfy your nostalgia. You want to fire Wren to up our win percentage, but then want us to hire Smoltz out of nothing but pure nostalgia. You would rather us have kept Glavine instead of bringing up Hanson, and then complain about not winning enough.

No wonder you’re such a colossal idiot. You let nostalgia cloud any rational thought you may be capable of having. You don’t care about winning, you just care about having a bunch of has-beens on the team so you can relive the “glory days” in your head (because they certainly wouldn’t be relived on the field).

And lol @ your selective remembering of Scheurholz’ trade history. I guess you “forgot” the Tex deal where we sent a guy named Neftali Feliz to the Rangers. I hear he’s pretty good.

The past is just that , old man. The past. The sooner you stop living in it, the sooner the rest of us can stop laughing at you while you remain blissfully unaware of your own ignorance.

speedybream – Yeah, the steroid era is gonna be a huge blemish on most of the next HOF classes. FWIW, Kent customarily batted behind Bonds for most of his career in SF.I don’t know when the Hall is gonna stop fooling around and induct Murphy, though I hope it’s soon.
billreef – I had some time, so I did the comparison (made much more possible thanks to baseball-reference). Smoltz’s ERA from Aug. 23 (his first start as a Cardinal) until the end of the season was better than only seven other teams. Since that’s still midpack, which was your original statement, I’ll give you that one without much more of a fuss. And when I said that Smoltz was “stuck” behind Maddux and Glavine during the Big 3, I simply meant that while he was the #3 starter in the rotation in ATL, he would have been the #1 almost anywhere else. Not that they just put him there and said “have fun, kid.”All that said, statistical arguments aside, I’m still not keen on the idea of bringing Smoltz back, but I won’t stage a protest if they do.

speedy,

Typically HOF voters like to compare players to other players not only in the same era, but also at the same position. Kent fits neither in your example since he played in a different era than Murphy and at a different position. Apples and oranges, so to speak.

Papi,

You might want to check back with BR again on your other point. Smoltz actually started the season as the #1 starter two times while some combination of those 3 were together and John Burkett was #1 once as well. Smoltz was also the #4 starter several seasons between 1991-2003. But to say he was stuck behind Maddux and Glavine during that time peiod is an obvious misstatement. Bobby was also fond of going righty- lefty- righty which put Smoltz in a 3rd slot because of his arm preference. You also have 4 years on injury and bullpen work during which Smoltz was clearly not stuck anywhere.

If you look at postseason play, Smoltz was the No. 1 starter numerous times and would have actually started many more games than Glavine or Maddux if he had not had the 4 year stretch of not starting. Hence again NOT the no. 3 starter or “stuck” behind Glavine or Maddux.

Let me preface my comment with the statement that I should clarify my point. I do not think that Jeff Kent is a First Ballot HOF. My point was not to favor Murphy over Kent in the HOF (which I do but that is beside the point). My point was to show someone with good power numbers does not equal a 1st ballot HOF. I think you are correct about Kent hitting behind Bonds, my mistake. However, my argument is that if Dale Murphy was not voted into the HOF, then don’t expect Jeff Kent to be a first ballot HOF. Murphy had more All Stars, Gold Gloves, and MVP’s than Kent and he is not in the hall. All of those stats Murphy attained were as compared to people he played with at the time. And I don’t feel that its comparing apples to oranges when players are eligible for the same hall of fame. The only thing that Kent has going for him is the fact that he was a 2B and not an OF.

Per BR, Smoltz indeed did have the #3 slot in the rotation more often than any other slot (three times) while he, Maddux, and Glavine were all starters (’93 through ’99, the only years that all three were consistent starters).
Yeah, in ’97 Smoltz got the Opening Day nod… he rightfully earned it with that Cy Young from the previous year. Interestingly, he was #5 two years prior, starting behind Kent Mercker. In ’99 the rotation was Glavine-Maddux-Smoltz-Millwood-fifth guy (three righties in a row? what’s that about arm preference?). 2000 was a lost year for Smoltz, sadly. Burkett started Opening Day ’01 due to an injury to Maddux, and that was the first year that Smoltz made a bona fide move to the ‘pen (had twice as many saves as starts that year).
Can’t argue with six postseason Game 1 starts, three of which came in ’96, his best year as a starter. However, we can’t necessarily say that he would have started more had he not had Tommy John surgery and subsequently moved to the ‘pen. One can always wonder…

Papi, can we agree on this? Atlanta had the greatest 3 pitcher punch in the history of baseball for a sustained period of time. They each had there moments in the Sun, they all had different strengths and they created magic, time and time again. I don’t think you will ever hear Maddux or Glavine say that Smoltz was stuck in that rotation. He made them better as they did for him. Besides if they said it, he would take all that money they made back on the Golf Course over the next 20 years. I mean Smoltz did one thing neither Maddux or Glavine NEVER did. He went from the starting rotation to a 55 save season. The only other pitcher to have real HOF success going from one to another, was Eckersley and he NEVER had a 24 win season or a 55 save season. John Smoltz, exceptional starter, lights out closer, most successful postseason pitcher of all time, incredible competitor, born on my birthday(grin) and you would have to pry this guy out of my dugout if I was managing this team. The defense rests your honor.

billreef, we can agree on all of that, without question. Smoltz definitely deserves every accolade he’s earned as well as the big one to come five years after he officially leaves the game. BTW, you both were born on my grandmother’s birthday. lol
I guess we can also agree to disagree about whether or not it’s in the Braves’ best interests to bring him back to the staff this season for one last hurrah with Bobby. What do you think about him taking over McDowell’s duties somewhere down the line?

Well, I would rather have Smoltzie in our bullpen as oppossed to Scott Proctor or Chris Resop. So, if we could get him midseason for a good price, why in the heck not.

Smoltz take over McDowell’s duties? Quick question, why not get Mazzone back? I’m pretty sure he is back living in the Atlanta area (at least he was when i saw those tv ads for the radio station that airs the show he’s on except that I couldn’t listen being out of market). He was the best pitching coach we ever had. Why not Leo?

And you do kinda have to wonder, was the success the Braves pitchers had under Mazzone era due to their talent or Mazzone’s influence? I always had wondered what Leo would/could do with Charlie Morton, Jo-Jo Reyes, James Parr, and the rest of the AAAA, AAA guys we had do spot starts for us during the 07, 08 season. McDowell certainly had a lot of problems when he got the job. He’s been doing a better job last year but that comes back to question of was it talent/experience or coaching? It seems to me like McDowell had just got his rut the way he likes it and (so far) we’ve been having some pretty good success. Are you guys getting ready to kick his butt to the curb? I like the idea of Smoltz and Glavine advising the kids, but giving one of them the pitching coach’s job…for some reason that makes me feel like Im driving a car on an icy road in the Smokey Mountains with no brakes. Just not that comfy with it.

LOL, I’m not talking about switching McDowell out for Smoltz next year of anything like that, Jim. Just thinking much further ahead.I bet the Braves’ staffs’ success was due to both Mazzone’s influence (especially with younger guys) and the talent they already had. In his two seasons with the Orioles, their team was at the bottom of the pack in many categories each season, and he was fired before he could finish the contract… of course, absolutely anyone would have struggled to coach the staffs they had.

Just my 2 cents. I don’t really see Smoltz as a Coach. Doggie I can see, maybe Glavine but John is more of a competitor than an analyst which I think is an important part of coaching. Man, I just scrolled back and read that Downeaster post. Is he off his meds again? The only thing I got from his painful diatribe was that I am an Old Man. Well no sh** sherlock. My body tells me that every morning, why do I need you to point it out. And as to why I am attached to our old guys over their’s it’s really kind of simple. If you have to fill out your roster with some old guys, why not hire the old guys who have brought you to the party before instead of a bitter old left fielder who won’t even run in to pick up a ground ball or a noodle arm Left fielder who can’t run anymore and hits .280. I would rather have the kids than that, but we seem intent on an equal opportunity hiring program for the elderly without any semblance of respect to HOF past contributors. Doesn’t make much sense to me. Bring Smoltz back.

Maddux is a no doubt 1st ballot.

Glavine is clearly a HOF, but not in the same group as Maddux, which is why I said he is a probable 1st rounder. You and I may believe he is, but the BBWAA is a bizarre crew.
Alomar didn’t make it, and he’s a top 5-7 2B all time.
Jimmy Foxx, Dizzy Dean, Al Simmons, Paul Waner, Bill Terry took years to make it. There’s not the logic we all assume…hence probably.

Clearly, if your a top 5 player at your position 1st ballot is deserved eg Mays, Aaron, Brett, and recently Rickey. For pitchers, that’s the likes of Seaver, Gibson etc.
Or the unelected Maddux, and in 2015 Randy Johnson. Glavine, as great as he was, was not in their league. Further, if there is a backlog, the writers have tended to delay entries rather than add another in. Piazza, the best hitting C of all time [other than Josh Gibson] takes 1 ballot in 2013. But Bonds and Clemens are arguably 1st ballot guys before the steroids. If they don’t get in then they’re bumped into 2014, which also features Frank Thomas.
OTOH, Glavine was a class guy, who represents integrity and other “good”intangibles the voters like, and the simultaneous entry with Maddux makes for an even better story. I hope he makes it, but he might wait a year because of circumstances. I like probable or likely, but not definite 1st ballot.

Below are averaged records over 10 consecutive peak years for 3 pitchers :W/ ERA/ WHIP/ K-BB, WAT and also
# top 5 CY and 20W yrs [The 10 yrs is the minimum for HOF selection.] Longer intervals Glavine fares worse in.

A- 17/ 3.26/ 1.28/ 1.87/ 5.6 ……. 5; 6
B- 16/ 3.13/ 1.20/ 2.19/ 7.3 ……. 3; 3
C- 18/ 2.65/ 1.11/ 3.99/ 7.5……..2; 9

One is a 1st ballot HOF; one took 10 years to get in; the third is Tom Glavine.

They’re all Braves

—-
C- Maddux
B- Phil Niekro who played on the worst Braves teams
A- Glavine.

These numbers aren’t 10 years different to me; OTOH
Glavine is roughly halfway between Phil and Greg, so statistically he’s not a 1st rounder. All have won 300 games

Of course, I hope Glavine gets 1st ballot because he was truly one of the GOOD GUYS

You could easily make the argument that Glavine is one of the top 5 LH pitchers of all time. He’s in on the first ballot, no problem.

Glavine should be a no-brainer 1st ballot inductee. Especially considering no current pitcher is even close to the 300 win mark. Many argue that that win total will never be reached again. And he did it in the steroid era. That makes what all three of them did pretty remarkable. 300 wins should get anyone in. Then factor the ERA / Cy Youngs / WS titles and it really is a no-brainer for all three of them.
And if McGwire isn’t getting in any time soon, than neither will: Clemens, Pettite, Bonds, Palmeiro, Sosa, and maybe even A-Roid after he retires. The writers aren’t very happy with the drug users. That will only accelerate the Glavines / Maddux’s, and Smoltz’s. Hell… maybe even Murphy eventually. But that .265 career batting average and 398 homers hurts him. What about the Crime Dog too??? He’s not first ballot… but he put up some pretty consistent power numbers.

Jurjjens is undergoing MRI this week because he is experiencing soreness in his shoulder. Lets up it’s nothing!!!
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100215&content_id=8078924&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

My rankings FWIW
LHP-
-L. Grove
-R. Johnson
-C. Hubbell
-W. Spahn
-S. Carlton
-S. Koufax

1-Glavine never led the league in ERA, WHIP, K’s, and only once in SHO, CG. That’s not 1st ballot stuff.
2-While 300 wins guarantees HOF, it does not guarantee 1st ballot.
Warren Spahn- 3rd year [better than Glavine]
Early Wynn- 8th year
Don Sutton, Phil Niekro – 9th year
and some better pitchers without 300 wins, but otherwise far better stats didn’t get 1st ballot either…
Juan Marichal, Ferguson Jenkins, Robin Roberts.Top 5 …No ….He’s not in top 20 SP alltime
But he was a winner on a great team.
I’d put him 7th since 1920 just ahead of
-W. Ford
-H. Newhouser
3-Wins are the least controllable stat by any pitcher, which is why WAT is sometimes useful. Glavine was never the dominant pitcher of his era, nor even the best on his team.
If Glavine gets in 1st ballot, it is because of the goodness of the writers voting heart and no backlog of candidates.
And the story he and Maddux together would make is likely to push him in come 2014.
And he better make it by year 3.

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